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Oct 26, 2023


In this interview, Patrick once again welcomes back Karen A. Dahlman, a paranormal researcher, licensed counselor and spirit communicator. The conversation starts with a humorous incident they both shared at the Haunted Castle House in Missouri, highlighting the importance of fun in paranormal investigations. Karen introduces her book, When Cats Had Wings, co-authored with her cat, Jack, who channeled the book's content on and off the Ouija board. The book focuses on the unconditional love between cats and humans, with stunning illustrations by Maaz Farzaan. The discussion also touches on animal communication and lessons learned from various pets. And finally, Karen dispels misconceptions about the Ouija board and stresses the importance of using tools that resonate with one's strengths in paranormal research. Visit for more info. 

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In this episode:

Intro :00

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The conversation in this episode was taken from a LIVE broadcast with Patrick and Karen A. Dahlman from last week, on October 19th. Karen A. Dahlman, MA, is an author, paranormal researcher, licensed counselor and spirit communicator. She serves as an officer and director of the Talking Board Historical Society. 2:46

“Folgers in your cup.” Karen A. Dahlman returns! She starts out with a funny story she and Patrick experienced at the Haunted Castle House in Brumley, Missouri. Fun and laughter is important in paranormal investigation! 4:11

“The audio got sexier.” Patrick fixes his microphone. 8:12

This interview started out “off the rails.” 8:51

Patrick introduces the audience to Karen’s book, When Cats Had Wings. She co-authored it with her cat, Jack! Jack actually first announced this project to the world through the Ouija board during a special episode where we had a Ouija session with Karen. 10:29

“[Jack] started the book when he was very much alive, in physical form, and then he finished it in Spirit.” Karen explains how channeling can happen over the Ouija board, and how the book came about. 13:05

“Little people and big people.” Jack wanted this book to be for children and adults. 16:40

The beautiful illustrations in the book are by Maaz Farzaan. 16:40

“The book is about unconditional love between our animal friends (specifically in this case, cats, the felines) and human beings.” 17:47

The book was channeled on and off the board, including from a dream! 18:20

Patrick asks, “Does it work the same way with dogs?” 19:58

Animals rescue US! “It’s almost like they become a master teacher for you.” 21:05

Different animals or pets teach completely different lessons. 23:10

Karen’s first animal communication through the board happened in 1996, with assistance from one of Karen’s guides, Mary Angel. 25:15

Where you can find When Cats Had Wings. Also, get the box of Kleenex! 30:35

Patrick and Karen are going to be “pulling some shenanigans” after they die. They also share some of the pacts they have with loved ones and how they’re going to communicate. 33:11

Multidimensional multitasking and communication from Rosemary Ellen Guiley. 35:20

“If I can muster an apparition, absolutely, but I’m also going to perform some classic ghost tricks. Like, I might even look for a sheet with two holes.” More on Patrick’s pact with his mother and how he’s going to communicate to her after death. 36:55

“Fat Cookie” and the fun that Patrick and Karen have had with the Estes Method. 38:00

Karen recently interviewed one our favorite guests, Claire Broad, and on a topic we recently discussed with her. Check out Karen’s conversation with Claire. 39:18

When spirits use smells and other senses to communicate. 41:50

Using Lenormand cards for animal communication, and how to move off the cards. 44:52

Trying to communicate, telepathically, with a pet. 48:46

“I call myself the walking Ouija board.” 51:00

Look for those lucid dreams about your pets. 52:35

What about negative experiences with animal communication? 55:38

“It’s not the tool. It’s yourself.” Clearing up misinformation and the negative stigma about the Ouija board. 57:30

Using the Ouija board is no different than an EVP session, using a KII meter, or a Spirit Box! 1:05:20

Use the tools that resonates with you and your strengths! If a tool doesn’t seem right for you, don’t use it! 1:08:20

Final thoughts from Karen A. Dahlman. 1:12:15

Outro 1:15:30

A special THANK YOU to Patreon supporters at the Super Paranerd and Parlor Guest level! 1:16:46


For more on Karen A. Dahlman

When Cats Had Wings on

YouTube: @KarenADahlman

Twitter: @KarenADahlman

Facebook: @KarenADahlman

Instagram: @KarenADahlman


Karen A. Dahlman's Previous Big Seance appearances: 

204 – The 10th Anniversary of and the Top 10 Podcast Episodes

199 – Dallisa Hocking’s Spooky Halloween Show – Big Seance

Friday the 13th with Karen A. Dahlman! (YouTube)

174 - Best of Halloween – Big Seance

165 - Ouija Paranormal and Beyond Part 2 – Big Seance

164 - Ouija Paranormal and Beyond Part 1 – Big Seance

157 - Haunted Castle House Part Two – Big Seance

156 - Haunted Castle House Part One – Big Seance

146 - Ouija at the Haunted Lemp Mansion with Karen A. Dahlman – Big Seance

119 - A Special Listener Feedback Episode PLUS Karen A. Dahlman – The Big Seance

78 - Highlights from the 2016 Halloween Seance with Ouija Expert Karen A. Dahlman – The Big Seance

Halloween Seance 2016 with Ouija Expert Karen A. Dahlman - The Big Seance (YouTube)

57 - Highlights from the LIVE Ouija Session with Karen A. Dahlman – The Big Séance

LIVE Ouija Session with Karen A. Dahlman and The Big Séance Podcast! (YouTube)

47 - The Halloween Episode with Ghost Stories and More – The Big Séance

The Big Séance Podcast LIVE with Ouija and Karen A. Dahlman! (YouTube)

29 - The Spirit of Creativity and More Ouija with Karen A. Dahlman - Big Seance

17 - The Legends, Lore, and Symbols of Halloween, with Special Co-Host, Karen A. Dahlman - Big Seance 

5- Spirits of Ouija with Karen A. Dahlman - Big Seance


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